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Old Jan 8th, 07, 07:26 PM
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Kids and 250cc atv's

We all know that it is illegal for a person under 16 yrs of age to drive an atv larger than 90cc's on public areas. If it were not illegal, what criteria, training, or other characteristics would you look for before allowing a nine year old youngster to drive one? I heard of a guy who has a friend who knows a grandfather who is planning on training his grandson to drive a 250cc Artic Cat utility bike. His grandson has been riding a 90cc bike safely for 4 years without any problems. They ride on private land and ride trails with some water and mud areas. Grandson is always supervised.
Of course, a friend of a friend asked me if I would post this hypothetical question for him. He wants to make sure if he did this, he wouldn't miss any necessary instructions, training, safety, recommendations etc.etc. as he observes his grandson learning to ride this bike.
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Old Jan 8th, 07, 10:22 PM
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Found this information and thought is was a good way to determine if a younger child is ready to ride (especially a larger ATV):

Readiness Checklist

This Readiness Checklist may help you determine whether ATV riding is appropriate for your child. There are no suggestions as to how many of the following abilities are necessary, nor the degree of ability that your child should have. The decision is yours.

Physical Development

1. Young rider can sit comfortably on the ATV and:
  • place both feet firmly on the footrests
  • reach fingers comfortably around the handlebars and brake levers even when the handlebars are turned
  • stand with knees bent with a couple of inches space between their seat and the ATV seat
  • easily reach the foot controls
  • dress with proper protective gear including putting on the helmet and fastening the chin strap

2. Young rider has sufficient strength and familiarity to operate the controls with ease. While sitting on the vehicle, the young rider can:
  • squeeze the hand controls
  • operate the shift lever
  • operate the parking brake
  • operate the choke and fuel valve
  • press the brake lever with sufficient pressure
  • operate the controls without looking at them

3. Young rider has sufficient coordination to:
  • walk a balance beam (2"x4"x8') flat on the floor
  • ride a bicycle, roller skate or skateboard safely
  • walk on tiptoes for 10 feet
  • jump rope
  • catch a ball with hands rather than with arms

4. Young rider has sufficient endurance to maintain strength over a period of time to:
  • play outdoor games without fatigue
  • participate in indoor games and sports without tiring before other youngsters

Visual Perception/Motor Development


1. Young rider can see with sufficient clarity to:
  • recognize letters and numbers at least as well as you
  • Distinguish colors
  • Participate in other activities such as riding a bicycle, running, sports or other recreational activities

2. Young rider possesses ability to perceive depth or distance to:
  • look at two objects in the distance and determine which is farther

3. Young rider has adequate side/peripheral vision to:
  • see objects 90 degrees to each side while looking straight ahead

4. Young rider can judge the speed of objects (fast, medium, slow):
  • to a degree that agrees with your judgment. Test their ability to judge the speed of cars on the highway, a moving train, a dog running, etc.

5. Young rider can state the distances of objects in feet, yards or miles such as:
  • the distance from the house to the road
  • the width of a hallway or room

6. Young rider can follow movement of objects and:
  • follow the path of such things as a baseball, car or video game object.
  • estimate distance between objects when looking at a landscape picture
7. Young rider can visualize distances between objects as displayed by:
  • a family photograph
  • a landscape picture

8. Young rider can follow a moving object while manipulating it by hand such as:
  • dribbling a basketball
  • playing a video game

9. Young rider can describe cause-and-effect experiences such as:
  • a minor injury they received and correctly identify the cause
  • a setting or situation that could cause injury if precautions are not taken.
  • injuries that might be caused by running, swimming, bicycling, riding in a car and other similar situations

10. Young rider can concentrate on more than one element at a time in solving a puzzle or problem including:
  • picking out or describing several items within a picture
  • assembling a puzzle without unusual problems or delays
  • describing what to do if a house fire should occur

11. Young rider can maintain relative spans of attention when given a variety of stimuli such as:
  • completing school homework assignments without being easily distracted
  • assembling difficult puzzles like a nature scene
Social/Emotional Development

1. Young rider has sufficient development to:
  • understand and follow rules established at home
  • understand and follow rules established at school (ask teachers)
  • listens and responds to adult supervision
  • comprehends the importance and seriousness of having rules and regulations

2. Young rider generally obeys parents and supervisors without:
  • challenging authority or rebelling when rules are imposed

3. Young rider controls behavior according to expectations showing:
  • evidence of self-control without getting easily frustrated or upset
  • an understanding of consequences associated with certain actions (e.g. not wearing a seat belt in the car)
  • an ability to think about results before performing some action like crossing the street

4. Young rider can look at other youngster's actions and:
  • recognize unsafe actions
  • appreciate riding safer than others
  • accept rules that are more stringent than what other youngsters may have to follow

5. Young rider can give reasons and/or solutions to problems seen in the environment such as:
  • how land (or grass) gets worn
  • how even small damage to land can take years to recover
  • the difference between untouched land and used land

6. Young rider can make decisions based on reality not fantasy as demonstrated by:
  • completing a step-by-step task such as assembling a toy or cleaning their room
  • a comprehension of real injury as opposed to "cartoon" injury
  • responding with logical solutions when asked to solve a problem
Reasoning and Decision-Making Ability

1. Young rider comprehends that interaction with others and things can result in injury. To test this:
  • Can the young rider describe how and why a person received physical injury or pain?
  • Does the young rider notice impending accidents or potential injury-producing events, such as in sports activities or bicycle riding?
  • Can the young rider explain why it takes distance to stop?
  • Can the young rider explain how moving at even low speed can result in injury if stopped suddenly or by hitting something?

2. Young rider has a basic understanding of what being careful means? For example:
  • Does the young rider know why rules are established?
  • Does the young rider notice or recognize others being careful in action-oriented activities?
  • Does the young rider notice professional athletes use protective gear as part of their sport?

3. Young rider understands that rules are made to reduce injury and provide long-term enjoyment. For example:
  • Can the young rider explain the reason for rules at home or school?
  • Does young rider understand the value of prevention? Of wearing protective gear?
  • Can young rider recognize that not following rules can eliminate future fun and enjoyment?

4. Young rider has a basic understanding of the physical limitations of stopping and turning.
  • Can young rider explain what may happen if moving too fast while going around a curve on a bicycle, skateboard or ATV?


***Provided by the ATV Safety Institue
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Old Jan 9th, 07, 11:54 AM
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Found this information and thought is was a good way to determine if a younger child is ready to ride (especially a larger ATV):
Just what I was looking for. Thanks Mudtramp, you continue to amaze me as to how good you really are.
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Old Jan 9th, 07, 05:34 PM
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Our daughter is 9 and rides a 250, she is always supervised!!
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Old Jan 10th, 07, 06:13 AM
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very informative
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Old Jan 10th, 07, 05:20 PM
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Hey I know plenty of youger kids that ride 250cc's all the time it just depends on the maturity of the child
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Old Jan 10th, 07, 09:02 PM
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Shelby is always supervised by us. Plus she went through my school of riding. I set up a few off camber things in the yard and taught her the hole use of front and back brake thing. I also taught her to never look backwards when she is moving forward and not to ride real close to anyone and not to ride side by side. 2 thumbs down from me on a ride and she is either out for the day or riding with me. ALWAYS wear a helmet is the number one. And the key is where she cannot reach it. Seat time, Seat time Seat time. And don't put your feet out if you tilt to the side.

Just my two cents
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Old Jan 11th, 07, 09:48 PM
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yeah thats a habot i need to break .... sticking my feet out if i tip on side or another.. darn reflexes
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Old Jan 12th, 07, 07:41 PM
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^^^^^Gonna get that leg caught. And its gonna hurt real bad.
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Old Jan 29th, 07, 09:01 PM
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my 9 yeer old brother drives my 250 bayou as long as i watch him
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Old Jan 29th, 07, 09:15 PM
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I think ATV age-limits/laws are quite unrealistic and should be amended.

There should be a practical petitionary system folks can use to present the child to the local authorities, allow them to test for riding proficiency and be allowed to ride larger displacement machines.

I've seen 12 year olds as tall as I am! I've seen 15 year olds that made me look like a kid! (until I take my ball cap off)

The point is that sometimes limiting such a child to such a small displacement machine is outright asking for trouble. Either the child's parents are going to take the law into their own hands and provide the child with an adequately sized quad, or the child is going to be injured trying to do things on a machine far too small for them. (Or worse... trying to ride mom or dad's machine which is far too large and powerful for them)

I don't have kids... but I can assure you if I did they wouldn't be riding a machine that didn't "fit" them.... law or no law.

Either way the situation is unacceptable.

Change is needed.

Ride Safe,

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Old Jan 29th, 07, 10:00 PM
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MY 9 YEAR OLD SON RIDES A RECON........BUT HE IS 5'3" AND 160LBS........HE CONTROLS IT AND UNDERSTANDS THE CORRECT WAY TO RIDE BETTER THAN SOME OF THE ADULTS I RIDE WITH.......I AGREE A QUAD SHOULD BE THE CORRECT SIZE FOR THE RIDER..............MY 14 YEAR OLD HAS HIS OWN 350 RANCHER......BUT HE IS A GOOD SIZE BOY TOO (5'9" , 205 LBS) AND HE ALSO RIDES BEYOND HIS YEARS. AM GONNA START MY 4 YEAR OLD ON THE "50" THIS SUMMER..........WILL HAVE HIM IN THE MUD BY HIS 6TH BIRTHDAY!!!!!! IS ALL ABOUT TEACHING THEM TO RESPECT THE MACHINE AND NOT TO RIDE ABOVE THIER ABILITIES...........AND ALWAYS , ALWAYS WEAR THAT HELMET!!!!!!!
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Old Jan 30th, 07, 03:10 PM
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Out of curiosity, I wonder how many organized efforts have been made to get this rule amended. This is one industry where laws and restrictions are thrown at it all the time, but there are few efforts it seems to defend it.

With several fairly large companies out there that make money off this industry, it seems there would have been some sort of organization developed that would help change many of the things that most ATV enthusiasts are against. I know there are a few very small organizations, if these could somehow be linked together to form something on a national level, we would all benefit from it.
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These laws were placed into effect not only to protect children, but just as much so to defend ATV manufacturers from lawsuit by parents who's children were riding an ATV too large for their size.

I fear you'll find little effort on behalf of the ATV manufacturing community to amend these laws... if for no other reason than that the few accidents caused by children too large for their ATV... are FAR less than those caused by children riding an ATV too large for them.

Hope that makes sense.

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Old Feb 28th, 07, 03:43 PM
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We all know that it is illegal for a person under 16 yrs of age to drive an atv larger than 90cc's on public areas.
Not so in Oregon. There are stickers that say it's not recommended, but it's not illegal.

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..what criteria, training, or other characteristics would you look for before allowing a nine year old youngster to drive one?
This pretty much falls under the heading of, 'If you have to ask...'

If a responsible observant rider cannot tell within minutes whether or not a kid can handle an xx-sized machine..then they are not responsible or observant enough.

Some kids will be naturals..some may not be THAT, but can be taught..some have no business being on a powered machine at all. A bicycle may be too big a bite for them to chew.

What makes a good rider is less a list of 'things' than it is a sense of what's going on. Balance, weight shifts, angles, traction, and machine capability.

And THAT is what the observer should be looking at.

That list of 'things' will always be missing something. You need to know your kid (or 'the' kid) has the mental capacity to KNOW how to handle what's NOT on that list. It'll come up...sooner or later.

That still does not preclude accidents from happening. That's why they call them accidents!
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i ride a 250 im 12
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the list presented by the Honorable MudTramp is amazing. I dont believe that i can perform all of those tasks! LOL

My 1 year old niece likes to sit on unkie john's grizz and go "ummummumm". cuz that is the noise she thinks it makes.
Vid to prove that she is the cutest 1 year old ever. and dont question me on this.
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My 1 year old niece likes to sit on unkie john's grizz and go "ummummumm". cuz that is the noise she thinks it makes. Vid to prove that she is the cutest 1 year old ever. and dont question me on this.
No question there....she is a cutie and a future Ms Minimudbogger
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