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Old Apr 1st, 07, 10:55 AM
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Poor Sportsmanship By Team Gorilla/Can-Am At 2007 Highlifter Mud Nationals

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Well we just got back from a 5 day trip to mud nats. Saw alot of people and watched alot of things happen. but i feel the one that will stick in my head the most (as sad as it is) needs to be talked about here.

Before we start i want to say i held nothing against the team gorilla/can-am guys before mud nats. i had respected them for what they have done in the last year or so. ive met john cannon in person and have talked to him several times on different forum boards. so i start this story with a total neutral feeling toward them.

so were standing there watching the mud-a-cross and ofcourse team gorilla/can-am were there in force (as you know they would be). most of them were in the open class because of the big lift and other mods on their bikes. so i see a kid on a bone stock bike (no lift, no paddles, no nitrous or anything) lined up in the open class. seems since he had some 27" tires off a tractor or something highlifter felt the need to put the kid in the open class. i talked to the kid the day before and found out he was from way up north (wisconsin) and had driven a longggg time to get to nats.

well his turn comes and ofcourse hes up against the team gorilla/can-am guys. as the flag drops and the race starts he stays on the back bumper of the team gorilla guy whos in the lead. on the final back stretch before the finish, he makes a move to the inside and pulls ahead of the team gorilla rider. well the team gorilla guy decides to put the squeeze on the kid and winds up pushing him into the dirt bank on the inside causing the guys bike to turn up on its side leading to the boy falling off the bike. the team gorilla rider continues to push the guy into his bike pinning him between the 2 bikes. the officials and all the people at the track were telling him to stop, waiving their arms and the guy on the loud speaker were telling him to stop and let the boy get out from between the 2 bikes so he wouldnt get hurt. he was totaly pinned between the 2 bikes with just his head and one arm above the water. the team gorilla rider ignored the official, the race director and all the pit guys and everybody else who were screaming at him and continued to drive the boy into the wall keeping him pinned bwtween the 2 bikes...never letting out of his throttle. the kid is swinging his 1 free arm in the guys face screaming at him to stop. as the team gorilla rider keps going, he bends the guys exhaust snorkle around on top of the kid and has still not let up.

once he figures hes not going to move any more, the team gorilla rider backs up, goes around the kid and wins the race as the track workers and officials are swimming to the kid to see if hes ok.

i ask this to the team gorilla/can-am team members. have you gone crazy to put your own greed to win above and beyond the life, well being and safety of another human being? are you so greedy to win that you push yourself that far to not care that you were playing with that kids life and by your actions you seem to not cared?

when your rider pulled out of the pit i saw high fives and hand shakes all around. THEN, one of your riders walked over and said something to the kid and walked off to more high fives and hand shakes.

you destroyed his bike, and hurt the kid and all you cared about was that you won and moved to the next round???

i told one of your riders that was standing there watching that it was a true show of bad sportsmanship and that was wrong, dangerous and careless what he did to that kid and i got the reply from your team gorilla rider "its just racing man, what do you expect me to do" then he walked off.

is that what message you want to get out to everybody? that winning comes before anything else? including the life and safety of other? is that what you want to accomplish by doing what you did? i had my 12 yr old nephew with me and when he looked at me and said "why was he trying to hurt that guy?" what was i supposed to say? its just racing man, what did you expect him to do?

i know it might have just been the action of a single rider. but as the saying goes "1 bad apple ruins the whole crate."

for the first time since ive had the gorilla stickers on my bike, i was actually ashamed to know it was there....




I seen this post on hi-lifter and a few other sites and just thought it was intersting.
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That is just crazy,I know they will catch hell over that and deserve it for just trying to win a damn race
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Old Apr 1st, 07, 04:55 PM
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So much for good sportsmanship.
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Old Apr 1st, 07, 05:20 PM
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This is a damn shame. The rider should have been disqualified and kicked out of the park for the remainder of Mud Nationals if this is how it went down.
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Old Apr 1st, 07, 07:32 PM
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That's disgusting. I agree with Mike.
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Old Apr 1st, 07, 08:08 PM
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Just judging by what most who seen it happen have said, I am completely baffled that the guy wasn't diqualified. Had it been just some guy with an unsponsored bike I can't help but think that he/she would have been disqualified immediately.
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Old Apr 1st, 07, 08:40 PM
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I know it has caused an uproar. Hi-lifter not only locked the thread, but deleted it. If that would have been my son that got ran over they would still be trying to get my foot out of that guys ass.
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Old Apr 1st, 07, 08:42 PM
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Figured they would delete that pretty quick because it isn't just Gorilla that looks bad here. I would imagine that the officials running the race work for highlifter and they got a bunch of explaining to do as to why they didn't do anything to the guy.
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I have been reading about this on other forums and it isnt going so well right now.I knew it wouldnt last long on Highlifter.Its a damn shame though that this happened
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Old Apr 2nd, 07, 04:29 PM
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It went off on the underground forum last night. That topic had over 4000 views in 12 hours. Had people from Gorilla to people from North Carolina chiming in. I think there is alot of explaining to do to CAN AM today. I would guess alot of ass kissing to try and not lose that sponsorship.


I think the biggest problem is they already are not the most liked group by far. I heard every race they lost the crowd went wild. And for them to further allienate themself by celebrating after that win prob just set alot of people off.
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Well , you can bet your ass that I will not be buying any Gorilla products and I will be taking my Highlifter lift off my bike. And will not be purchasing anything from them unless some kind of formal restitution is made to the youngster who was hurt and bike was destroyed.
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I would really like to see a video of the event. Many people say that this was intentional, while some say it looked clean. One thing for sure though, those that claim it was dirty are by far outnumbering the others.

Generally, where there is smoke, there is fire, but I would like to see it for myself to get a personal view of what exactly went down.
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I got into mudding mostly because I really enjoyed it and partly because it wasn't the "main stream" like all the speed bikes and riding the dunes and such. At first, I was happy when it started getting more popular, hoping that more places would show up, making it easier for me to go play in some mud. Now, I'm not so happy any more, since it's turning into a sponsored sport. IMO, once something gets sponsored and people start making big bucks from it, it looses all it's meaning. It's no longer just people doing it for fun, but people doing it for money. That's when things like this happen. People get hurt due to others greed. The only competitions I take part in are between friends. It's not about who wins, it's about having fun.
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Agreed, seen to many friendships lost over ego and greed. I don't know what really happened and prob never will. But I can tell you I think the winning aspect as far exceeded the fun aspect of bogging. I wonder how long before a huge fight breaks out or someone gets really hurt.
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It's hard for me to hold an opinion on this subject since I did not physically see it happen. There are so many different perspectives on this subject and perception is exactly what it is ...perception. Someone that was 200 feet away is going to see it differently that someone who was 75 feet away and still another view at 25 feet and still another at 10 feet.

The only two that really know what happened are the two competitors in the water. I would really love to hear each of their points of view (perspectives) on what happened. I bet their views will even be different.

I wish both sides the best in determining the "truth", but somehow I don't think the "real truth" will ever surface.
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I was not there.... OBVIOUSLY.


Edited - My previous response was based on information provided from this and other threads from multiple websites, none of which is now relevant.

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Old Apr 3rd, 07, 12:30 AM
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Before this gets all kinds of crazy, something needs to be realized here.

The first post is just one person's opinion of what happened. Many say it was bad, many say nothing bad happened.

If somebody seen it first hand and knows what happened, that is great. Would love to hear it. But to come with accusations and demands without knowing the story is doing nothing but harming a recreation that we all enjoy.

I think Most are running on an "assumption" of what happened, at least from what I have read here and on other forums. That is a horrible thing to form an opinion on.

Regardless of what someone thinks of Highlifter, Gorilla Axle, or Can Am, there is still the fact that an individual rider is involved here. If he did in fact do what many claim, then he deserves much of what has been said on many websites. However, there is a chance that those who got this story started jumped to conclusions, and unless you know what happened, it is unfair to everyone involved to make accusations or demands.
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I dont want to step on any toes but.....Maby we need to weight on the formal statement rom HL or Gorilla? Or even a statement from the riders involved. Everone is entitled to their opinion but lets not start a war party before we have all the facts. I still believe in man down, back off. But lets get all the facts and review the tape. Just my thoughts.
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lets get all the facts and review the tape. Just my thoughts.
Completely agree.
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Edited - My previous response was based on information provided by this and other threads from multiple websites, none of which is now relevant.

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2. With all the spectators in attendance, I guarantee you somebody got this on tape.
Somebody did get this on tape, and it will be up soon. Once everyone looks at it, they can form an opinion as to what they think about it.

But to assume off of one thread (which was one persons opinion) that got duplicated to several forums is not what people should be forming an opinion by.

It could end up being a very nasty situation, or it could turn out to be nothing.

We will all soon see what happened.
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On one of the other forums someone posted that he was OK. He is not upset over the events. That is just hearsay though. I hope he gets on one of the forums and post something to let everone hear his side of the mudacross.
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Quite frankly, so long as he's ok.... that's the most important thing.

The bike can be replaced... and who's at fault will be determined soon enough.
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I understand why people want to see the tape but what I dont understand is why everybody is jumping on Gorilla over this.I know is was one of there riders in question but is all the bashing really worth all of this.Im not taking up for anybody but this has gotten out of hand big time.
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That is one of my big concerns, and the reason I bumped up the older thread about sponsors at the events. From reading various forums talking about this, it appeared to become a witch hunt full of demands without most knowing what actually happened. It is like every dislike that someone has about things involving the sport gets all thrown in together when most of it is irrelevant to what happened.

I have one concern, mainly out of curiosity, and that is what actually happened. It is hard for me to demand that people step up and do this, or do that, when I don't even know that anything bad happened.
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Edited - My previous response was based on information provided by this and other threads from multiple websites, none of which is now relevant.

Subject closed.

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This is me shutting up as well. Until I see the incident in question for myself. So that I may be able to form my own opinion.
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Im all about the innocent until proven guilty thing. Plus, when you go into any sort of racing you assume certain risks, an accident being one of them. Unless it was SOO blatantly obvious that the High Lifter guy was intending to hit the kid I think the kid may be SOL. I hate to put it that way and if I were him Id probably be pretty PO'D.

Would we even be talking about this if the kid had been sponsered? Probably not
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Would we even be talking about this if the kid had been sponsered? Probably not
Yes. Whether or not somebody's sponsored does not matter.
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