I have the above and have a real loud whine everytime I ride it. It is not a sqeel but a whine plus at a little above idle the wheeler misses or what sounds like a miss to me. I spoke with the dealer about the miss and they told me thay are detuned from the factory for EPA reasons but this thing will backfire sometimes because of this. Is this normal, if so what can I do I have been told my performance should be better. Thanks
My friend,I cannot say anything about the noise, but it may be a bad bearing. As to the miss,take itt back. I do not care if it is detuned. It still should not have a miss.Sounds like your dealer does not know his glutinous maximas from his patella.Take it back and be firm.
I agree with kenskip 100%. You dealer don't sound like his elevator is working or it's huge in the basement. LOL! I work for Yamaha Dealer and no machine should have a miss from the factory. The backfire they will do sometimes I really wouldn't worry about that unless it's REAL BAD. You should NOT have to spend YOUR MONEY to fix it....especialy if it's under warranty. Yes the Kawasaki's are detuned somewhat but there should not be any miss or wine at all. Take it to another Dealer if you have to these people sounds like idiots. I know it stinks to have to drive to another dealer. Even if it's a long drive, your better off in the long run to have someone who knows what their doing. Youmay even have to o to more than one to find a good one and thats sad. Thats one thing i can say about the Dealer i work for. They may eat money every now and then...but i will make sure yours is right. I have seen our owner call Yamaha and chew them out for not wanting to fix something. I try my hardest to make sure their happy and I do treat evey cutomer with RESPECT. Sounds to me like their just to LAZY to fool with it. My advice find you another dealer who knows what in the world is going on. Stuff like this makes me so MAD if you can't tell. LOL!
OH YEAH! Call Kawaski's cutomer service and complain about them, tell them how bad they are. If you have to call them every week and complian do it. I promise you Kawaski will let the dealer know that you called. I know of a Yamaha Dealer that got there produts taken away and shut down cause of crap like your dealer is doing. Yamaha sent a undercover Rep (LOL!) in with a problem the dealer, they acted just like yours. To make a story short they lost their Yamaha Franchise. They got what they deserved IMO.
Thanks Im taking it in today. When I called them they told me that they will take care of it. Just to bring it in. They did say it would probablly take a couple of days (but I can understand that if they have to order parts). Plus they arent open on Sunday and Monday. I want thank you all for your help. This is my first wheeler and I found a new addiction. It's a lot cheaper then building race cars.
The whine is on all brutes,I have had 4 and still own an 08.The whine you are hearing is the belt whine,if you put it in low range and nail it it will whine even louder.The fins on the sheaves on these bikes pull so much air through the CVT is causes them to whine.There is no need to worry about the whine on it at all.If you snorkle it its even worse.All of mine are snorkled and you can hear every noise and movement of the blet system.
Your miss is caused by the wrong needle in the carbs.If its not the wrong one then it needs to be shimmed up.This is a very common thing on the brutes,some run richer than others.2 out of the 4 I have had to be shimmed like,my new one is EFI and it still runs rich.Im taking care of that problem now though.
Once you get the carbs tuned in you will feel a difference in the throttle response and the low end but your top end wont be affected unless its so out of tune that its loading the bike up badly and gas fouling the plugs....Good luck
Ok that maks me feel better about the whine cause that is was the dealer told me yesterday but he did say it shouldnt be that bad so they are checking into it. As per the carb issue is that something they should repair under warranty? Cause the dealer told me that kawasaki rearly authorizes carb adjustment under warranty and I think that is S*$t!
Called the dealer today and the dealer has not even looked at it. I took it in last wednesday, does that sound normal. If so great but his explaination was they had 4 others ahead of mine that they were waiting on parts before they look at mine. That sounds like crap to me if they dont have the parts to fix the others why not take a look at mine. This doesnt sound right and I am about to go pick it up and take it somewhere else. Please leave info!
Update from the dealer and they said the miss is normal because of EPA reasons. But yet they offered for the tune of 3 hrs of labor to drill the EPA plugs (WHATS THAT?). At $85 / hour I think that is crap I asked them if I could drill them out myself and they said if I did it it would void my warranty. I think like I'm sure you all are thinking is that they are just trying to get my money. I told them I think its crap and he said thats just the way it is. So I am calling KAWASAKI to complain. Please if you have any ideas or know about the EPA plugs and wanna share your info I would appreciate it greatly. Thanks again peeps!
The only thing I can think of what there talking about is the air/fule mixtures screws.They have a brass plate on top of them and you have to drill that out to adjust them.The miss I can gaurantee is not EPA related,its from it being out of tune,there isnt even anything on a four wheeler that I can think of that has to do with the EPA.I would pick that bike up soon as you get a chance and never take it back to them again.
You can drill the tabs out yourself,just have to remove the carbs to do it.
Trust me I tried to go get it. They have had it for a week and a half and their answers dont add up. They had it for 3 and a half days and said they hadnt even looked at but yet when I called the two days later they said they had ridden it for the last three day with no problem (wonder what kind of hour it has on it now). When I talked to him the next day he said it was all apart just double checing things and I could pick it up the next day. I call when I got off work the next day and they said it as back apart again. This is begining to piss me off. I spent the money I did for a 4 wheeler to have fun with not to be having problems with. I tried to pick it up today giving them notice again and when I called them they told me they were closing up shop I responded I was a few minutes down the road. They put me on hold for 10 mins and came back and told me the manager left with the keys to the shop. They are closed sunday and monday. I cant even pick it now till friday cause of my schedule. Is this horse shit or what Im calling Kawasaki or what ever I have to do to complain. NEVER EVER DEAL WITH MANCUSO KAWASAKI CLEAR LAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Update: I went to pick it up on tuesday and they again told me they could not find anything wrong. Infact they charged me $40.00 for labor. I told them I bought the extended warranty and they claimed since they could find anything wrong the labor charge is not covered. Does this sound right? I know it is only $40 but thy didnt fix anything at all. To me this sounds like a scam. Also the crap they kept saying that kawasaki wont authorize warranty work on the carb is not stated anywhere in my paper work except the idle speed adjustment (from what I read in the manual). Please if any of you have any info you can share with me on this matter I would appreciate it. I am going to file a complaint with Kawasaki and possibly the BBB on this matter but want to get all my ducks in a row first. Thanks again!
The first thing that I would do is call the manufacture and file a complaint or what ever. I would go to your dealer and tell them that you are going to file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. This will get their attention.Be polite but very firm. Get the employees names and dates that you have communicated with. Have all of your ducks lined up in a row.They sound like a less than favorable dealer, and will not want you to pursue this. They may even fix it for free. Best of luck, Ken
I want you to know I feel your pain. We bought a Kawasaki’s Brute Force® 650 4x4i, and from day one we had the same issues as you. Of course they told us that the could fix the issue but it wasn't covered. After having the 4 wheeler 6 months with only 26 hours on it, now the thing won't start. We took it back in and they told us that there was no compression and we would need to rebuild the engine. We refuse the build since we feel we have done nothing wrong to cause this issue. We have been fighting for almost a year now trying to get them to warranty it through corp. Their excuse is that we must of dump the bike in mud or water because that is the only thing that can cause this. We have never taken the bike in water or mud. We are now seeking legal action because we were sold a defective bike and Kawasaki’ will not stand behind there product.
I know what you mean the dealership I dealt with was horrible they had it for two weeks and said there is nothing wrong with it but if I wanted to fix it they would charge me 3 hrs of labor for something the is not wrong. I call Kawasaki like everyone has told me to do and they are more rude the the dealer. I think they put info in their computers and it can be seen by Kawasaki cause the gut a Kawasaki told me my carbs were dirty. I told him it has been doing this sice I first fired it up and he told me I should have brought it back to the dealer then. I bought it in late august early sept. of 07, two days later I started a shutdown at my plant. I was working 13 days and then off one. I did that for three months. The last thing I had time for was to take my new four wheeler in. After that we had the holidays, another time when the 4 wheeler wasnt of concern. Bottom line (after spilling my sad story) is the crap is broke and they need to fix it. I guy I work with know somebody at Highlands Kawasaki and he told me to bring it up there. I just havent had the chance to do it yet.
Your story isn't sad. I have been through the same thing. We bought our in June 06, took it in not even a week later. They said nothing was wrong. We drove the bike a little longer and tried to deal with it. The weather got colder and we really wasn't riding it. Christmas came and it wasn't the time to deal with it. On Jan 19 07 our house burnt to the ground. Fixing the 4 wheeler was the last thing we were worried about. We have 3 kids and was now looking for a new home. When we finally got into a house in May 07, the first thing we did was take it in. They said I shouldn't of brought it in sooner. And they told us the same thing, the carbs weren't made for Texas. They were built for CO and they could rebuild but they would charge us. They did a full service on the bike. We drove it 1 hour and it now won't run at all. We took it back and they kept it for 3 weeks and told us that there was water in the oil. We fought about that since they were the ones who just did the service, they cleaned the system out. Then they told us that the fuel injectiors were clog. The bike has a carb not fuel injectiors. Then they told us the fuel pump was out. Bike still wouldn't start. They came up with the compression issue and said they found dirt in the engine. I told them to put the bike back together, we weren't going to pay for that. I call the corp they said the only thing I could do is take it back to the dealer and if it look like it needed to be warranty then the dealer could call them. Warranty refused work three times. That is why now I'm trying to get legal action against them. We have never taken this bike in water or mud and I feel they were just trying to make money.
Just wanted to thank everyone that offered their advice on my problem. I do believe I have resolved the issue. I took the bike to Highlands Kawasaki and they replace the main jets with bigger ones and told me to run a tank of super w/ either octane booster or 1 gallon of race gas. It may just be the octancee booster but the bike seems to have come alive. it still has the mis in neutral (just above idle) and at super low speeds (2 to 3 mph) but the mechanic told me these bike just do that and the only real way to completely solve the problem is the buy a perfomance jet kit. But before i soend the money on that i will replace the exhaust. To me that is two totally different dealers saying close to the samething and a guy i work withs dad works for highlands and he says they are very honest.
It sounds like your quad is running lean, Scribner hit it spot on by recommending to shim your jet needle up. This will take care of the problem at low speed because the jet needle will allow more fuel to pass into the carb out of the needle jet.You dont need to run high test or race gas, booster etc.The Bruteforce will run on regular without a problem with the stock compression ratio.The octane rating of a fuel is a rating of the fuels resistance to detonation.In a higher compression engine youre cramming a large mixture of air and fuel into a smaller space ( by means of a dome piston, milled cyl head)by doing this, this pressure in the engine creates a great deal of heat and could cause the air fuel mixture to ignite prematurely thats why they make higher grade fuels is for that reason.If the manufacturer recommends 87 then run that, 93 then run that. The only time you need to run higher grade fuel is if you start modifying the head,piston,etc. or if the vehicle has been sitting for a while and the gas is a little stale,but the tank should be drained and fresh gas put in if thats the case.Running a race gas etc in a stock engine will not make it run cleaner or add more power, so save your hard earned dollars those oil men are rich enough. Well hope you make out ok Chris, my brother has a Brute 750 and that thing is awesome.(IFBM)Insanely Fast Big Machine
My first ride on my Brute Force 650 ended with hot antifreeze on my leg. After the first 3 miles it overheated.After letting it cooldown enough to add water it overheated before we could get back. I took it back to the dealer and told him I was not happy with a brand new motor with no time on it getting that hot. Who knows if the cylinder, piston, valves or head warped. Not to mention if the rings will ever seal properly. The dealer said he would only fix the fan switch that was the cause of the overheating. I called Kawasaki and talked to customer service and they say that they see no problem with a new motor getting hot enough to boil antifreeze out of it. I asked the dealer to do a leak down test. They refused.
