 |  | Jul 30th, 06, 11:37 PM | | Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: georgia
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| i have a 750 brute force and i want to add some more power to it. whats the best thing i could do without tearing the motor apart or making it loud as hell? does exhaust really help very much, if so what brand? | | |  | Jul 31st, 06, 12:11 AM | | Hi! STAFF Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lower Arkansas
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| I expect you will get some good responses with this. We have a couple very knowledgable Brute Force owners on the site. Be sure to check back soon.
If you got any pics of the bike, or any other ATV photos, feel free to put them in our photo gallery. http://www.mudbog.net/gallery | | |  | Jul 31st, 06, 08:01 AM | | Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: georgia
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| im very happy with mine, but i just want a little more speed..... just in case i do run a cross one of the bombardier 800's and it is i have heard about it! | | |  | Jul 31st, 06, 08:30 AM | | Super Moderator STAFF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Florida
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| First thing you need to do is get an ignition module for it.There are several companies that make then for the brute now.The you could get an exhaust system for it with jet kit.
You can get he Copperheard VDI which is around 400 bucks or you can get down to cheap as 100 bucks like the Highlifter ICM PAk.I run the Highlifter ICM Pak on my brute and it does good.
I do plan to try the VDI soon,its fully programmable and can be tuned by a laptop. | | |  | Jul 31st, 06, 10:12 AM | | Team BDB Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Forsyth,Ga
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| Yeah like Scribner said first get a Module or a CDI.I have a moose module right now but im going to be getting a VDI soon.Then you can invest in an exhaust system,jet kit,and air filter. | | |  | Jul 31st, 06, 10:29 PM | | Beer Wagon Driver STAFF Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: DFW, Tx.
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| I have the Diamond G DG5 module, but from what I hear if you're going for a module the Moose is the one to get... it's entirely plug-and-play with no cutting or splicing of wires, plugs directly into your existing harness.
The module is the biggest improvement performance-wise I've ever made to my Brute.. you wouldn't believe how de-tuned these things are from the factory.
Good luck and ride safe,
Chuck | | |  | Aug 2nd, 06, 11:23 AM | | Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: georgia
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| thanks,any particular place you would order from? | | |  | Aug 2nd, 06, 11:25 PM | | Beer Wagon Driver STAFF Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: DFW, Tx.
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| There are several modules on the market... the Moose module (as with all Moose products) is available for ordering from your local ATV dealer... or on a number of ATV product websites. (note: check both because ordering through your dealer can be more expensive... but you won't have to pay shipping so it might end up cheaper that way). http://www.mooseutilities.com
Diamond G Racing is a company out of California (714) 299-3865
And then of course there's the High Lifter module High Lifter
Remember, the Moose module is plug-and-play (a claim that no other module on the market can make currently.. most others have to be spliced into your machine's wiring harness). The Diamond G DG5 module is designed specifically for the 750 twin motor and has a switch built in so that you can return the bike to stock mode without alot of trouble (a claim that no other module on the market can make as well). And the High Lifter module comes in as the least expensive of the three... but with the least features (must be spliced in and has no switch to return to stock mode).
Good luck with your purchase,
Ride Safe.
Chuck | | |  | Aug 3rd, 06, 09:37 PM | | Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: georgia
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| sorry im so full of questions!! but why would i want to return to stock mode? and what exactly does the module do for my ATV that gives me mroe power? i dont really know alot about this stuff so im trying to learn! | | |  | Aug 3rd, 06, 10:14 PM | | Beer Wagon Driver STAFF Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: DFW, Tx.
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| Returning to stock mode is a bonus if you are not the only one who will be riding the machine.... if you have somebody else (who might not be as experienced a rider as yourself) that would be riding it's nice to be able to put the machine back into stock mode.... the difference in power is VERY noticeable. Wheel-standing power even after putting bigger tires and accessories on.
The performance modules re-program your spark-advance and takes away some of the de-tuning that Kawi did at the factory... the potential these motors have is unbelievable. With the flip of a switch the machine goes from an already "Brute" of a machine to the feeling of a fuel-injected machine with much quicker throttle response and absolutely amazing speed.
I doubted it when I purchased the module too.... It's unbelievable, it's like an entirely different machine when you flip that switch.
Ride Safe,
Chuck
And ask all the questions you want... that's what we're here for!  | | |  | Aug 4th, 06, 03:55 PM | | Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: georgia
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| ok im sold! what am i looking at on cost for the module like you have with the switch? | | |  | Aug 4th, 06, 09:45 PM | | Beer Wagon Driver STAFF Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: DFW, Tx.
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| LOL.. I'll warn you ahead of time that the install takes a little bit of patience and a general knowledge of electrical systems.
You'll want to make a trip to your local hardware store for the necessary connectors, or if you know how to solder connections then you're in business.
About a year and a half ago the DG5 was about $150+shipping. Not sure what it is now, you'll have to contact Diamond G to find out.
(714) 299-3865 they're based in California so remember they're on West-coast time.
I'm very pleased with mine, and when it's working it has a SUPER bright blue LED that flashes.
Good luck and let me know how it goes!
Ride Safe,
Chuck | | |  | Aug 4th, 06, 10:24 PM | | Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: georgia
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| remember im ignorant as to installs, but if the thing plugs in what do i need to solder? im gonna have to have the dealership install it anyways is there anything i should tell them about how i want it done?
one more thing, how bad ass will the module be when i add the exhaust and jetting? or do you think the module alone will give me some good results? | | |  | Aug 4th, 06, 11:43 PM | | Beer Wagon Driver STAFF Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: DFW, Tx.
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| The Diamond G DG5 does not plug in, it's a splice connection... if you're looking for a plug-in then you want the Moose module, but it does not have a switch it's hot all the time.
The module will provide very noticeable results by itself, with exhaust and jetting you won't recognize the machine at all. | | |  | Aug 5th, 06, 08:56 AM | | Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: georgia
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| god i cant wait!!!!! i definetly want the one that has a switch on it, whether i use it or not it is still another gadget i will have on there, and i love some gadgets!!! my fiance thinks im crazy for doing all this stuff to my 4-wheeler. i just got this four wheeler about a month ago and its the first i have ever had. growing up my mom wouldnt let me get one cause she was scared and i have wanted one all my life! im gonna make this thing bad as hell!!! | | |  | Aug 5th, 06, 08:57 AM | | Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: georgia
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| does it mess anything up by switching back and forth between stock and not? | | |  | Aug 6th, 06, 12:42 AM | | Super Moderator STAFF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Florida
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| | | |  | Aug 6th, 06, 02:15 PM | | Beer Wagon Driver STAFF Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: DFW, Tx.
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| Not at all, it's just a simple mod that re-routes your spark advance.
If you get the DG5, you'll have to either solder or use splice connectors to tap into your ATV's wiring harness... I strongly recommend using liquid electrical tape or silicone to coat the connections when you're finished and sure the device is working properly. This will prevent corrosion, water invasion, and shorting out of the electrical system.
Good luck, looking forward to hearing how you like it!
Remember... when the thing is engaged, the front wheels do NOT like to stay on the ground... so be careful
Ride Safe,
Chuck | | |  | Aug 6th, 06, 10:30 PM | | Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: georgia
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| ok, i went over the the kawasaki place yesterday and talked with them about installing it for me. the guy there is some what of a negative nancy about everything he dosent come up with. he told me that not in all cases but a good many he has seen the modules fry the ignition box and mess up the computer. he said that i could be sitting still and my speedometer would be showing 100mph. he said it can also mess up my 4-wheel drive. i dont now anything about them and i figure you know more than he does about it. is the guy an idiot or what? i really wanna put it on but he did raise some concern that i would like put to rest before i do it. if there is the chance it will mess the computer up then how likely am i that it will happen to me?? thanks, | | |  | Aug 7th, 06, 08:07 PM | | Beer Wagon Driver STAFF Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: DFW, Tx.
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| Any modification, no matter how simple can cause damage to an ATV... I will not lie to you and tell you this module definetely won't do harm to your machine.
I've had the module in my machine for over a year and the only problem I have (knock on wood) is the front wheels wanting to come off the ground.
One thing you'll come to learn about Kawi folks is that they do not believe in adding things to machines... they're nearly as bad as Honda in that respect.
This module has been installed on thousands of machines, in fact any ATV that has the Kawi Vforce engine (Suzuki twin-peaks 700, Arctic cat 650 *pre-H1*, Kawi Prairie 650, Kawi Prairie 700, Brute Force 650, BF750, etc.) most folks who have em rave about em... I've heard of very few problems and most of em were in regards to defective modules.
The High lifter module, DG5, and Moose module all work off the same basic principle and have been on machines for years now. This gentleman may know what he's talking about... and he may not. Last time I took my Brute in for service (front main seal leaking) I also let them do some recall work while it was in... the service manager was so impressed with the throttle response with module turned on that he got the information from me so he could order one for his. (if that tells you anything.)
If all ATV enthusiasts who wanted to "Go BIG" listened to the manufacturer's recommendations we'd all be riding stock machines with 25" tires afraid to get water on the brake discs.
I say go for it, but in the end the final decision is up to you. Bikes don't stay new forever and things are going to go wrong with them whether you alter them or not... at least have fun with it...LOL
Good luck and Ride Safe,
Chuck | | |  | Aug 7th, 06, 08:41 PM | | Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: georgia
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| Is there anything this available for Polaris? The Moose website didn't show anything like it. | | |  | Aug 8th, 06, 07:22 PM | | Super Moderator STAFF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Florida
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| The only thing I know of for the polaris is a timing advance key.I think it advances the timing by 4 degrees. | | |  | Aug 9th, 06, 09:29 PM | | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mobile, Al
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| I had a moose module in my brute and really could not tell much of a difference. Now when I added the full hmf and jet kit and had it dyno tuned it came alive. But to be honest, it still wasn't gonna outrun a Bomb 800. | | |  |  |
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